My Introduction, and Why this Virginian is an Obamacan

I have waited a full week to introduce myself. I'm a Republican from VA who is voting for Barack Obama in 2008, the first time that I am voting for a Democratic Presidential candidate.  I cast my first Presidential vote for George HW Bush in 1988 and again in 1992, Dole in 1996, and George W. Bush in 2000. In 2004, I was disillusioned with the Republican party, but could not bring myself to vote John Kerry, who I perceived as weak.  I come from an area near Farmville, VA and if you google it, you will know it is one of the main areas of the moral-majority.

I have a history of voting with the Democratic Party though, I voted for Mark Warner, and more recently, I voted for Jim Webb.  In the case of Jim Webb, I even made donations (as I have with Barack Obama).

I found Mydd on Feb 5th after looking at the Drudge Report for early exit-polls on the day, a link brought me to this site.  I liked mydd because there was an open debate at that time between Obama and Hillary.  I was paying attention to this race because I knew that if somehow Obama kept it close, I would go vote for him in the VA primary, and if it were over, I'd go back to where I currently reside in Asia.... being that Obama kept it close, I extended my trip back home, and made my vote for Obama.

Barack Obama is my choice for President in spite of these few differences:

I am pro-life.

I'm a firm believer in the free market.

I think that governments should totally do away with income taxes and capital gains taxes.

I don't think ILLEGAL or UNDOCUMENTED immigrants deserve equal rights under the law, nor should immigrants in my opinion receive benefits such as health care, etc.

I don't believe that governments should mandate health care.

I state the above because I want you to know where I am coming from and why I am voting the Democratic ticket this year.

It was probably better that my first diary come out after both the conventions are over because it gives me a standing point to explain myself.

Barack Obama is offering solutions, not just words.  In his acceptance speech, I don't recall ever seeing a candidate fit so much specifics inside, and yet at the same time tie that to his policy, why he is running for President, and why he is better than the other person running.  

I'm sold on Barack because he gets foreign policy. He understands that the President should never make jokes about bombing another country, nor should the President ever make commitments to send troops to die until he has exhausted all other possibilities.  This is my main reason for supporting Obama.

On the economy, Obama (unlike Clinton) understands the balance of free markets.  He is spot on when he says that tax cuts for companies shouldn't be given for those who outsource their jobs. It is true, and it is a policy I would love to see occur in real life... though I am against all taxes, I understand I live in the real world, if I didn't understand that, I would be for Ron Paul :)

On health care, 2 things I want to understand of Progressives and Democrats (that perhaps I will never understand, but would love to see an explanation).

  1. Why do you love the idea of Universal Health Care, and want a mandatory one, when you can't even make the same commitment for English as the Universal Language? (I'm against both... so at least I have a consistency in my beliefs).
  2. How can you force something that may not be affordable to all?

Another reason I like Barack is his idea that you cannot mandate health care. In doing so, I believe it will fail. Not just any fail, but an epic fail.  You just have to make it affordable first, then you will see a major influx of people into the program.

I also like his idea of making all deliberations "open door". Put everyone on C-Span, let them air their opinions, and let it play out with the public, rather than back room deals with Lobbyists.

Contrast then the convention.

This year, the Democratic Convention was all about solutions, a change, a new way, followed by Barack Obama's reach to people at the very end telling them what he plans to do, and how he plans to do it.

The Republican convention, unfortunately, only told us more of the same. More wars, more splits in the electorate. It was sad to watch for me. I was hoping the convention or McCain's speech would make it very difficult for me to vote Obama, or even pull me back to the fold. Instead, with their non-stop attack, and their failure to even provide any ideas or solutions to ways we can jump-start the American economy, provide relief and strengthening of the US Army, and with that improve our security... they made it easier for me to switch over.

I sincerely hope that Virginia goes to Obama this year. I will be flying back to make my vote.  My family, who are also staunch Republicans (my brother was a fund-raiser for Bush in 2000 and 2004) will be casting their vote for Obama this year. If and when he is the election winner, we hope to be together as a family to celebrate the new direction of America.  I hope many of you understand how difficult it is for us this year, as we will be having 2 D's on our ticket, Warner and Obama.

Up till now (this past week), I have avoided making any comments in diaries because I know no one knows me.  You should be seeing another point of view (mine) more often on these boards now.

Thank you for reading if you got this far.

Update [2008-9-5 2:55:53 by Dickie Simpkins]: Thank you all for making my diary reach the rec list on my very first post

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Re: My Introduction (2.00 / 23)

This deserves a tip... c'mon
Tip jar??

Virginia is for Lovers
by Dickie Simpkins on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 02:23:55 AM EST

I forgot (2.00 / 7)

DONATE DONATE DONATE
C'mon people, he needs $100,000,000 a month just to to compete

You know what to do gang!!!

;)


Virginia is for Lovers
by Dickie Simpkins on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 02:25:32 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I forgot (2.00 / 5)

Check out my Barack Obama fundraising drive diary, here:

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/9/5/11521 /83400

Donate directly here:

http://my.barackobama.com/page/outreach/ view/main/mgpfundraising

:)

Tipped and rec'd diary, btw.


by Yalin on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 02:34:30 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Dickie Simpkins is that you? (none / 0)

As in Bulls fan Dickie Simpkins?  Funny seeing you here.  I was driven to the political boards by a combination of the travesties of GWB and Kirk Hinrich's jump shot.


by such sweet thunder on Sat Sep 06, 2008 at 02:35:32 AM EST
[ Parent ]

You got mojo (2.00 / 1)

but no rec.

I like half of what you say, but your libertarian views I can not rec.


Washington Woman

Progressive Blue

by kevin22262 on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 02:57:34 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: You got mojo (2.00 / 5)

I knew coming into this site I wouldn't get full love.

But a mojo is better than no mojo.

I have to say though, the comments and the recs I got I have been very pleasantly surprised. I didn't think many people would accept a diary articulating so many differing opinions.


Virginia is for Lovers
by Dickie Simpkins on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 03:08:13 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: You got mojo (2.00 / 5)

You stated your case with respect and invited discussion. Cant find fault with that.


by tired of dynasties on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 03:20:21 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: You got mojo (2.00 / 4)

Tipped and rec'ed.  

Here's why.  You gave a reasoned thoughtful presentation of why you've made this choice.

The strength of a democracy is diversity, diversity of opinion.  I don't agree with Barack Obama 100% of the time, though I'm coming from a position that is to the left of where he is.  

But as a pragmatist, my decision to back Obama was made based on what is good for the US as a whole, (and the world - since we play such a strong role on that stage too).  

4 more years of McCain/Bush  are too much for our economy to bear.  The addition of Paleolithic Palin underscores where they are coming from.

Glad you posted.  


Anthropologists for human diversity; opposing McCain perversity
by NeciVelez on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 10:13:17 AM EST
[ Parent ]

We're glad you and your fellow (none / 0)

republicans have gained sufficient comfort in this world to feel entitled to deny health care to your fellow citizens in need, unlike every other country in the world.  
   Just so you know, Barack Obama is in favor of single payer health care, but knows it isn't feasable politically because of the masses of uneducated and selfish republicans who consistently vote to drown the defense industry in money instead of funding a decent society based on mutual support as opposed to devil take the hindmost.  If it were up to Democrats, universal, affordable health care would have happened long ago, and you wouldn't be paying $1400 per month plus premiums for your family.
by ReillyDiefenbach on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 10:23:52 AM EST
[ Parent ]

curious (2.00 / 1)

have you ever seen the documentary "The Corporation"? If not I highly recommend it to yoiu and everyone else.

http://www.thecorporation.com/

It is a little long and there is a piece in the middle that gets dry but stick with it. It is GOOD.

I would love to hear/see your take on this movie.


Washington Woman

Progressive Blue

by kevin22262 on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 11:00:33 AM EST
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Re: curious (none / 0)

I like the part where they write down "traits/characteristics" of a company into terms of a person, since corporations are legally an entity and enjoy the same rights as people.  The corporation would basically be the biggest asshole, selfish, psychopath were it a human.


by KLRinLA on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 04:14:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Hi Dickey (none / 0)

Welcome to the site, we are a diverse group who have wide varying views as well. We respect each others views and we can agree to disagree...thank God we have the right to have an opinion.  

Any how even though some of your views we may disagree with, we fully appreciate your right to have them and more importantly we appreciate were we can find common ground with you.  Please stick around and converse with us, we aren't as bad as some say:-)


by netgui68 on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 08:57:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I'd rather have a Dickie Simpson (2.00 / 7)

that's for Obama than an Alegre that's against.  

For what it's worth, I used to be a Republican/Libertarian back in the seventies/eighties.  I was involved in a kind of radical libertarian group, The Free Enterprise Institute of Andrew J. Galambos (google it).  And in the mid 80s, I was raising money for the Contras.  I gave up on all that when, as a successful consultant with preexisting conditions, I was told I couldn't get health insurance at any price without getting a salary job with TRW or Boeing.

And to answer your question about health care -- I think it is insane that people are expected to get health care through their workplace.  Although it is this way for legacy and historical reasons and I understand it, it seemed to run contrary to all the libertarian laissez faire capitalism expectations that I had developed.  That was my welcome to the real world.  The legacy of workplace health insurance in the 80s (it's easier to get now) created a kind of vassal system.  And it makes no sense whatsoever, if you think about it.  Do you have to work for a Fortune 500 job to buy your food or your children's school or any other consumable or service?  But for legacy reasons, that's the way it was with health insurance.

Think of all the small business owners that have to deal with the hassle of setting up group insurance plans for their employees.  Why should they?  Think of all the benefits to small business... or even BIG business... if universal health insurance was something that we got from the government and it was paid for by our taxes.  It would be a huge boon in terms of the accounting and HR problems it would solve.  That's one reason I support universal health care, just like I support the idea of universal government-maintained roads and universal government-maintained police forces.  

Some things may be, in the end, more efficient if maintained by the private sector, but there is also a cost to society of it not being universally available.  Healthcare is one such thing.  If I have a next-door neighbor that doesn't have health insurance, and he gets sick or becomes disabled, it affects me indirectly.

Don't think so?  Just wait till your kids get head lice at kindergarten.  


by Dumbo on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 05:43:57 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Or when Toyota opened (2.00 / 2)

a huge plant paying good wages in Canada instead of the U.S. because of health care costs.  Duh!


by ReillyDiefenbach on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 10:34:41 AM EST
[ Parent ]

For me, it is a moral argument (2.00 / 1)

I think the economic argument for universal health-care is indeed compelling, but I would be for it even if it were not.  For me, it is a moral issue.  I just don't think we should live in a world where anyone receives insufficient medical care simply because of financial status.

We fund police departments out of tax revenues, and expect them to provide for the safety of ALL citizens.  When you call 911, they don't ask for your insurance policy number.  Why should health care be different?

My girlfriend's family is from England.  I've seen single payer UHC up close.  While not perfect, it is FAR better than the mess we've created here in the USA.  Brits pay less per capita than we do and get better care, without all the fighting with insurance companies over denied claims.

I've had conservative friends try to scare me with horror stories about 'socialized medicine'.  I usually end up laughing out loud.  I HAVE insurance, but I would trade it in a second for England's UHC even with the higher taxes we would need to pay for it (assuming I can drop my overpriced insurance premiums as part of the deal).

Peace


by protothad on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 06:53:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I understand that (2.00 / 1)

I think the economic argument for universal health-care is indeed compelling, but I would be for it even if it were not.

I understand that.  But you're basically preaching to the choir, because people that already see healtcare as a basic human right are probably already liberal in almost all respects.

Many people see this in practical terms as a giveaway.  Somebody is going to get something that they didn't pay for, and it might come out of my pocket.  Those durned dirty Mexicans, or those black people, or those Cadillac welfare queens...  Somebody else that they feel superior to because of the class-framing of the issue.  

When the framing is changed to the overall economic benefits of the system not just for the poor, but for everybody, including those so magnificently healthy they never need to see a doctor, suddenly the fact that some illegal is going to get a free appendectomy seems less outrageous.

Maybe I mentioned it in the previous post, I'm not sure, but one of the areas where hardcore libertarians expend a lot of energy is trying to work around the area of public services like roads.  If you want to minimize government and extoll the benefits of the private sector in all respects (and they can be very absolutist about this), then you need to manufacture some weird Rube Goldberg system of privately-owned and maintained roads rather than government maintained roads.

To you, not having been immersed in that whole milieu, I'm sure you can see how preposterous that idea is, and the problems it generates, but for laissez faire libertarians, it is a real pain in the ass problem, because if you admit that some public work programs are necessary to benefit all, then you allow other programs to creep in.  Like universal health care.

Look at roads from the perspective of an Ayn-Randian superman for a moment.  Why the shit should John Galt, here in Long Beach, have to pay the government to build a road in San Francisco, a road I will very probably never use in my life?  I'd rather see my money go to pay for only the roads I like and choose to use.  Otherwise, you are coercing me, at gunpoint, to pay (be taxed) for San Francisco's roads.

But San Francisco's roads benefit John Galt, here in Long Beach, regardless of whether he ever travels to San Francisco, because it means that there is more commerce between southern California and northern California, which means more jobs, higher standard of living in both places, wealthier neighbors for John, increasing property values, etc.  The economic benefits to John outweigh his outrage at having the government spend his money in another town.


by Dumbo on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 07:50:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: You got mojo (none / 0)

I don't think that his views were posted so that people ( such as you) could write back saying what they DIDN'T like about  tnem.
For me ,it's good enough that he has  enough reasons to vote FOR Obama,and I'm grateful for that. Heres hoping that there are many more like him out there, after all that 's the bottom line.
by Lodgemannered on Sat Sep 06, 2008 at 02:31:23 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: My Introduction (1.66 / 3)

Right on, man.  Roanoker for Obama here.  Welcome to the fold. ;)


by doss on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 05:03:40 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: My Introduction (none / 0)

Why would anyone troll rate this comment?!??!?!?


Virginia is for Lovers
by Dickie Simpkins on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 11:43:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Welcome to the party (none / 0)

Try the koolaid.  ;)

Seriously, I don't agree with you on some of the issues, but I think it is majorly cool that you've decided to join this blog, and I look forwarded to a lively discussion.  The diversity of opinion here is one of the reasons I choose this site over some of the more trafficked ones.

Peace


by protothad on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 06:59:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Welcome! (2.00 / 3)

I really respect your ability to articulate your positions, as well as your willingness to post on a site whose participants most likely disagree with at least some of your positions.

That being said, I figured I'd chime in about about universal health care.  Basically, we already pick up the tab for people who cannot afford health care.  These hidden costs, in the form of taxes, actually end up costing Americans more because instead of taking care of small medical problems as they arise, we end up taking care of big problems in the emergency room.

There's a report (well, five of them) by the non-partisan Institute of Medicine which outline why universal health care makes sense for Americans.  You can check it out at here, and they can make a hell of a better argument than I could.


And so, may evil beware and may good dress warmly and eat lots of fresh vegetables.
by thatpurplestuff on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 02:39:28 AM EST

Re: Welcome! (2.00 / 3)

Thank you for the link.
I will be reading it, and hopefully will gain a better understanding on the subject.
I never did think about the hidden costs of people entering the ER.
Virginia is for Lovers
by Dickie Simpkins on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 02:54:08 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Welcome! (2.00 / 5)

No problem for the link.  Health care is truly one of the most complicated issues of our time, and so often we see both of our parties paint the other as a radical caricature.  Republicans accuse Democrats of being socialists, and Democrats accuse Republicans of being heartless bastards.  This really is a subject that can't be made into a sound byte, because it is so complicated both economically and socially.

Anyway, thanks again for the diary.


And so, may evil beware and may good dress warmly and eat lots of fresh vegetables.
by thatpurplestuff on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 03:04:10 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: My Introduction, and Why this Virginian is an (2.00 / 3)

Awesome diary Dickie and welcome.  I look forward to more of your writings.

No one ever agrees fully with a candidate on every issue, but what impresses me about Obama is the same thing you see.  He has a vision and has been consistent on that vision, change occurs from the bottom up.  I also admire him because he notes how difficult some of the issues are (i.e. abortion) and he tries to be empathetic to both sides.

Glad you're here!!!


Toot, thank you for raising such a terrific person...You done good and we will have you in our hearts.
by hootie4170 on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 02:44:45 AM EST

Welcome to MyDD. I'm glad you joined in to (2.00 / 3)

support Obama for the General Election. I hope you'll be also voting for the downtickets including Mark Warner.

Some of your thoughts are fine with me with balance of free markets and foreign policy. I do not agree with your stands on opposing abortion, universal healthcare, doing away with income tax and capital gains tax completely (at least flat tax would have been alright with me) and no benefits for legal immigrants.


by louisprandtl on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 04:12:58 AM EST

Re: Welcome to MyDD. I'm glad you joined in to (2.00 / 5)

Warner is a given. He was a great governor.

Hey, we can't agree on all issues, though I do support Obama on taxes, Obama on healthcare vs McCain.

I wouldn't want to wade into the topic of Abortion with mydd'ers. I'm feeling love right now, and if we get into that topic, I'd probably start getting pelted...


Virginia is for Lovers
by Dickie Simpkins on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 04:22:42 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Agreed with what you wrote. I'm happy that you're (2.00 / 2)

supporting Obama and Democrats in general...we need more Virginians in our team..


by louisprandtl on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 04:32:00 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: My Introduction, and Why this Virginian is an (2.00 / 3)

I pay attention to Virginia, because what is happening there these days politically is fascinating.  I have relatives in Farmville.  Actually meeting people who were involved in the closing of the schools there after Brown vs. Board of Education, and in particular one family split right down the middle, gave me an appreciation for the functioning of race in a community, and its evolution over time to where things are now. Are you finding many others like you and your family in the Farmville area?  My brother is a Dem and so are most of his friends, so he can't quite take the temperature of how many are crossing over this time.

I am so glad to hear that you are willing to support a candidate who you don't have to agree with on every issue, just because you know it will be better for the country.  Hear, hear.  I also don't totally agree with Obama, but I think we are in a Constitutional crisis over executive power, accountability and the loss of checks and balances and I am thrilled that not one, but two Constitutional scholars, who are also masterful politicians with good values and who 'get it' about how far we are off track are available to get my enthusiastic vote.

I actually have never believed that anyone who shares my political positions could ever get elected president, so I don't get affronted at the differences I have with Obama or Biden, nor do I expect miracles from them.  Just very hard work on our behalf.  I expect that we have to work pretty hard too, to keep giving them the will and the backing (and the kick in the butt) to get things done.


by ktmseattle on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 04:13:26 AM EST

Re: My Introduction, and Why this Virginian is an (2.00 / 4)

There are many debates in that area from staunch Republicans about voting for Obama. A lot of these folks have been brainwashed pretty much that Democrats will take away their guns, govern without morals, and tax them to the point they lose their homes.
Mark Warner did a lot to change these perceptions of Democrats (he did mine).
Secondly, George Bush sent a lot of sons and daughters into Iraq where no real threats (read WMD's) were found. Added to that, the bad economy (though 10billion/month goes to Iraq), falling house prices, and corruption scandals have made people think twice about Republicans.  Not to mention the largest increase in government power ever.
Obama wants to bring fresh change. His ideas are very incorporating, and even accepting of people with a different point of view.
As a result, there are some Obamacans, but to gauge the populace is difficult as they are not inclined to expose themselves... lets put it this way, for every Obamacan is probably a couple of people who can't stand to see a n****r as President.
Having said that, it will probably all be about turn out, and I would think that people wanting to vote for Obama are much more energized than people who have made their only remaining option, 'more of the same'.
Virginia is for Lovers
by Dickie Simpkins on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 05:09:09 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: My Introduction, and Why this Virginian is an (2.00 / 2)

Thanks for replying!  One more thought about free markets:  I think it makes sense to start elaborating as to what one means by that word, since it has been so diluted of clear meaning (as have most words in the current political climate).

There aren't such things as actually free markets, the debates are over what kinds of intervention and at what level and where.

My beef with current answers to those questions is the obscuring of loading the answers to the benefit of 'the rich get richer' and everyone else is screwed, not by free markets, but by interventions totally rigged for wealth concentration.  

Then stating as if true, that the free markets will take care of all things.  Like, most importantly, health care. Won't. Ever. Happen.  Bill Gates has been eloquent about this, from standpoint of a great believer in free markets. He has steeped himself in global health issues and has come to this conclusion.  


by ktmseattle on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 12:00:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]

PRIVATIZE THE PROFITS AND SOCIALIZE THE RISK (none / 0)

That's the current kook in charge's motto. That's Enron. That's IndyMac. That's FDIC in bankruptcy...

This Is NOT a free market. not even close.

Free Markets took a giant step towards happening, with the internets.


*&=4eva
by BlogSurrogate57 on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 04:37:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Dickie: Obama wants you and people like you (2.00 / 2)

to help us make this a more perfect union.  I hope you noticed the many Republicans who stood up for Barack at last week's convention.  This is no accident and Obama has courting people like you since the beginning.  

Three things about your points of view and Obama:

1) pro life - we have to agree to disagree but know that you're still welcome.  See Bob Casey, a major Obama surrogate and pro lifer;

2) on immigrants and rights/benefits.  I assume you meant illiegal or undocumented immigrants.  This is a tough one because it is our position that once they get into the US, you have to treat them as human beings.  Say an undocumented worker gets into a bad car accident- what are you going to do let them die on the side of the road?   Obama is in favor of strict border security, a path to citizenship for those already here and fining employers who hire undocumented workers.   Immigration reform will pass in 2009 under Obama or McCain.  This is a huge issue out here in the West.  I don't want to put words in your mouth, but your suggested strict position on immigration has devastated the Republican Party in California, except for freak candidates like Arnold, a classic liberal Republican;

3) eliminate income and capital gains taxes - you're going to have to explain that one because it seems pretty nutty.  

Thank you for making the effort to understand Obama and your support.  Obama is a big fan of Warner too and it seems that Obama may well have picked him for VP had Warner been willing.    


Our Moment Is Now
by mboehm on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 05:14:39 AM EST

Re: Dickie: Obama wants you and people like you (2.00 / 2)

Thanks for your note, let me reply to you.

1. Agree to disagree.

2. Yes, I might illegal and undocumented immigrants. My position is that they 'chose' to come here "IN SPITE OF" knowing that they will be getting less than minimum wage AND no rights here. Ok, so I have a heart, in emergency cases, we should help them... then send them back. I believe in harsh punishments for Americans who decide to use illegal immigrants to run their businesses. I understand its all market conditions and market driven, (lower labor costs, lower cost) as the driving factor to hire illegals, but it isn't right, and it destroys the competitiveness of local labor.  For me, the only pathway to citizenship should be a minimum 2-3 years stint in the military...

3. As I explained in my diary, that is for me the 'ideal', but I know it ain't going to ever happen, or else I would be for Ron Paul alone... Though if you think about it for a second, if you eliminate income and capital gain taxes, and ONLY have taxes on spending, and a higher tax rate for luxury goods, so say a basic VAT for all goods, followed by a "luxury" tax on expensive goods (like Fendi, Gucci, Yachts, Luxury Cars, etc.)... you see where I'm getting at? You shouldn't tax people for making money, but you can tax them for how they choose to spend it.


Virginia is for Lovers
by Dickie Simpkins on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 05:27:27 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Dickie: Obama wants you and people like you (2.00 / 1)

1. Abortion - You might be surprised how many Democrats fall closer to the pro-life side on the abortion spectrum. But the key difference between Pro-Life Democrats and Pro-Life Republicans is that we believe that we should strive to reduce the number of abortions by giving women more options such as easier access to adoption, affordable childcare and contraception covered by insurance. This contrasts with  the Republicans, who just want to make abortion illegal, with no recourse for pregnant women.  
The simple fact is that the abortion issue is a red herring used  by Republicans to court the Evangelical vote and anybody who considers themselves a Christian , which is a LOT of Americans.
I say it is a red herring because if Roe v. Wade is overturned, that just means that the states will decide if abortion is illegal or not. Our state, Virginia (I live near Mananas) would probably ban abortion, along with NC, GA, MS and AL and some others. The problem is, *what happens to women who get pregnant and want to get an abortion, but can't afford to travel to a state where it's illegal? *

Back in the day women had to go to seedy 'doctors' to get illegal abortions. It happened before and it will happen again, *and the Republicans wouldn't  want to be associated with all the botched abortions * that will occur when abortion becomes illegal again.

So they use abortion as a wedge issue, because nobody wants to call them on it.

2. Agreed, but there needs to be a non-military  path as well as what you described.

3. Intriguing.....I would like to hear more about this from you in the future. Understand though, that what you suggest sounds a lot like Canada...


A PROUD Hopium user!
by xodus1914 on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 09:26:50 AM EST
[ Parent ]

please edit your diary to reflect illegal ;0) (2.00 / 2)

that way folks without my patience to read all your comments won't be breathing fire down your neck.

My grandmother escaped Poland two years before WWII. I'm a strong believer in immigration for everyone, as long as we can support it. Statistics do not lie and immigrants give back to our country more than they take from it.

I find the rise of sweatshop labor, and the inability of illegal immigrants to freely choose their work to be tremendously disturbing. Meeting people who know that they're being taken advantage of, scammed out of money, but who aren't able to do anything about it? It makes the stomach churn.


*&=4eva
by BlogSurrogate57 on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 10:24:44 AM EST
[ Parent ]

military wouldn't want 'em (2.00 / 1)

if they can't read and write English, and possibly not their native tongue.

I'll smile at the idea of national service, though. Building bridges, teaching them something useful, serving as prison guards, laying high speed internet.

There's a lot of work to be done, and getting the infrastructure back will be critical. We haven't had an engineer as president since Carter (few things he did right, but that was one of 'em! Economy was the other. Volokher is hallowed as Fed. Reserver Chairman for a reason)


*&=4eva
by BlogSurrogate57 on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 10:28:16 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Dickie: Obama wants you and people like you (none / 0)

Tipped and Rec'd -
because whether you agree or not, intelligent discourse should always be supported.

I'm was a Ron Paul Republican until I started listening to Obama.  He doesn't just have ideas but I see how they can come to fruition.  I'm pretty quiet here, but most of the people here are open to civil discourse.  

In my perfect world, wages would not be taxed but spending would.  This type of system rewards those who work and makes sure that luxury items are truly regarded as luxuries.

Alot of people don't realize that income taxes were originally proposed as a temporary measure and only affected the top five % of US wage earners when they were first introduced (95% of the country did not pay income taxes). Today, as a result of inflation and new tax laws, not only do the the top 5% of the country benefit over lower income wage earners but 95% of americans pay taxes.  

It was nice to read your diary.


"They are ever so much nicer at Tiffany's!"
by epiphany on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 02:51:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]

The problem with sales taxes (none / 0)

is that flat ones are regressive, not progressive.

I pay a tax on my Zipcar -- nobody pays that tax on their normal car. Yet I keep a car off the road, don't emit gasses as much, etc.


*&=4eva
by BlogSurrogate57 on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 05:06:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Dickie: Obama wants you and people like you (none / 0)

Thanks for joining the good guys this year!

I think there is definitely room in our party for people like you who can have honest disagreements with a few of our policies and still come to the conclusion that we are on the whole the party that will make America a better society.

On the issue of the spending tax, I am hoping that I can get you to reconsider your position.  I've read about proposals like this and most economists think that they would not work to generate nearly enough revenue to run the country. Think about it this way, if you eliminate the income tax you're going to need a pretty hefty spending tax to get enough money to do even the basic things that we all agree the country needs to do (ie. pay off our debt, have a military, build infrastructure, etc.), let alone pay for the things that most agree the country should do (i.e. provide aid to the elderly and disabled, make education possible for kids, etc.).
In increasing the cost of all goods this way, though, you're also going to make spending less frequent, which will itself dillute the nation's tax base under your proposal.  This will mean we'll need to raise taxes even higher just to provide the minimum level of service I mentioned.  And this again will curtail more spending, leading to a vicious cycle where the prices for all goods are extremely high and the demand for them (and thus the need for the jobs that create them) quite low.  It seems like it wouldn't work in practice, but I'd be glad to hear your thought on this.


by DreamsOfABlueNation on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 04:07:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Dickie: Obama wants you and people like you (none / 0)

I understand the difficulties that go hand in hand with my ideals, which is why I switched from Ron Paul to Obama pretty early during the primaries. There are alot of things that I wish would work on the national level but are really more suited for smaller countries with less infrastructure to care for or communal living.

I got to thinking that traditional Republican (not Bush) values that call for smaller government and less regulations would only work when everyone is honest. The housing crisis is the consequence of greed. Unneccessary wars are fought at the behest of those who profit from death. Well- you get where I'm going.  

I wish every doctor had to do pro bono work just like lawyers but who would make sure they were providing the disadvantaged with adequate care.  I also will never understand why people litter outdoors or don't remove their shoes when they come in the house.  

Its not Republican values that are inherently evil its the people who profess to have them and use their power to amass great fortunes without looking out for the disadvantaged, the environment or their fellow citizens.

Often it takes a long time to realize that an idea that reads well on paper doesn't work well in practice. It takes a leader that sees the value of honesty and integrity to bring real change to Washington whatever party they belong to. Obama wants to be accountable to the electorate.  Whatever failings he may have as a man, I know he sees the value of the people who support him.


"They are ever so much nicer at Tiffany's!"
by epiphany on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 04:35:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]

great! you're officially not part of the beer and (none / 0)

hookers party!

thank god. they always sound like bored lazy rich college students.

I wouldn't mind seeing a new age of austerity -- and it's probably coming sooner than you'd expect


*&=4eva
by BlogSurrogate57 on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 05:08:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: My Introduction, and Why this Virginian is (2.00 / 4)

Welcome, Dickie.

It's nice to hear another perspective, particularly when it is polite.  Discourse is important for growth, unlike flame wars.  

With regard to the health care problem, a young woman tried to explain her side of it to a couple of older Republican men at a local restaurant yesterday.

She calmly said the following, with a wry smile.  "I'm a good person.  I played by the rules.  I've worked hard. I was even a good teenager.  I finished high school at age 14, started college, got my degree.  I then worked at a corporation, making my way up the management ladder, working 80 or more hours a week.  At age 23, I got cervical cancer and after a long, ugly battle, it is finally in remission.  Now, due to the economic downturn, I'm laid off.  I've used up my savings on medical bills.  All the stock I've accrued is now worthless.  I have no health insurance because I was laid off, I'm 25, and I have a pre-existing condition.  So you find me here waiting tables, praying my cancer doesn't come back.  I worked hard.  I played by all the rules.  Do I deserve to die for that?"

Dickie, I don't pretend to have all the answers, but I do know one thing:  the system we have is NOT working.
 


by whognu on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 09:44:18 AM EST

Re: My Introduction, and Why this Virginian is (2.00 / 2)

That story actually brought a tear to my eye.
My mother-in-law died of breast cancer. She was a divorced mother of four who had to support her youngest son while battling stage 3 cancer, that eventually migrated to her bloodstream, her lungs, and then her liver. As she worked mostly freelance, she was without health care, and lost a ton of money prior to her death, leaving her 2 sons in debt, and I gave a big chunk of my own money in helping her out with the medical bills.

I am NOT AGAINST healthcare by the government, it is that I don't understand how you can MANDATE it. Government healthcare should first and foremost be affordable and mandated for children only. You can't force something upon people, forcing an issue usually will lead to its demise.


Virginia is for Lovers
by Dickie Simpkins on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 10:00:19 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: My Introduction, and Why this Virginian is (2.00 / 2)

Dickie

I tend to agree with you about the mandates, which was one of the reasons I supported Obama from the start.  I simply didn't/don't believe we would be able to get a mandate through the legislative process at this point.  There is too much opposition and the people of this nation need help and need it now in whatever form we can provide.  But this hands-free, insurance companies prey at will, if you want insurance just get a job attitude, well, it's literally killing us.  

My sympathies to you regarding your mother-in-law.  She sounds like she was an impressive woman.  I also want to thank you for the tear in your eye because that young woman I told you about is my daughter.  She did convince the two Republican gentleman to vote for Obama though!  

I am pragmatic enough to realize there are no easy solutions for many of the ills this nation faces.  This nation has a long, difficult road ahead even if we start turning things around tomorrow and, of course, Utopia will never exist.  But we can do so much better for Americans, all Americans, than these last years suggest.  


by whognu on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 10:52:56 AM EST
[ Parent ]

The rarest thing in the world is a free market (2.00 / 1)

because all players have an incentive to corrupt it. This is why small businessmen like regulators. They're the people who keep the big fishes from muscling them out entirely.

Regulation is the only thing saving the free market.

75% of our stock market is held by 200 companies. Opportunities for collusion abound.


*&=4eva
by BlogSurrogate57 on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 10:30:34 AM EST

Healthcare: The numbers approach (2.00 / 2)

Healthcare is more than 10% of our GNP, a figure that has continued to grow, sucking money out of more productive enterprises...

Because, like many publically traded companies, the perception has been that insurance companies must make more money each year. And they've been doing a bangup job of that. 5.9% increase in health care costs for the consumer (not the corporations they work for) this year.

You gotta ask yourself -- how are they cutting costs?

It's by denying coverage. There is a vast network of people whose only job is to make people jump through hoops, try to deny care for any reason. A woman who had a miscarriage in an emergency room... was told that she had had a voluntary abortion, and thus wasn't covered. Why? The company had a policy that any bill above a certain amount was to be denied.

But that's only half the story. Because hospitals have to care for everyone, they develop elaborate safety networks -- employing many people just to try to stop the hospital from being ripped off by insurance.

I've been in doctor's offices, with about ten doctors and at least three 'receptionists' to make sure that people have insurance or can afford to pay for it.

It is a collossal waste of effort. The problems with health care are not fixable through price management.

We need streamlining. There is an obvious benefit to treating health care like a fire department -- it isn't something you need very often, but you do need it, so spread the risk around.

This will save small businessmen -- who routinely look at their workers, who they regard as family, and lay out the health care that they can afford. "Do you guys want the $1000 plan, or the $2000 plan?" Per Month. This is why small businessmen are turning Democratic.

Health care is the death knoll for entrepreneurism. If you can't offer health care, who will take your job but the desperate??

Health care is the death knoll for a free market of labor -- if you're worried about your health, how can you look for a new job?

Finally, as in all things political -- look at who the movers and shakers are. Joe Shmo don't get the politicians moving.

Here it is Big Auto from Detroit, struggling to be competitive in a global marketplace. They could use the cut from the massive bargaining that having everyone on the gov't plan would bring.

This is really a great debate about the hole between the rich and the poor -- where the middle class lives. People who could afford affordable health care, but who are not able to get it because it isn't affordable.

I believe that a nopremium health care plan would be something even the most skeptical of consumers would sign up for. If there is enough choice, a mandate can work, I think. What say you?


*&=4eva
by BlogSurrogate57 on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 10:42:09 AM EST

Re: Healthcare: The numbers approach (2.00 / 3)

That's why I'm an advocate of Obama's approach.

F**k all these backdoor handling by Insurance companies, their lobbyists, and government officials.

Let's put everyone involved on healthcare on C-Span, and let the whole nation hear what opinion everyone has, and work to a solution that benefits the people, as opposed to insurance companies.

I don't think you can start this discussion unless you pull the idea of mandates off the table. You can register this at the table later, but if you start it as a precondition, you will find some integral members who can make government healthcare doable unwilling to come to the table.

I don't want to pretend to know all the answers or the solutions, and I applaud Barack for not doing the same.


Virginia is for Lovers
by Dickie Simpkins on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 10:52:06 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Trnasparency in Government (2.00 / 1)

I can't think of a more Conservative approach to government, and it floors me that the GOP is not all over this one.

Checkout what Sean Tevis thinks on the issue:

http://seantevis.com/kansas/issue/transp arency-in-government

-chris


Motley Moose: Progress Through Politics
by chrisblask on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 11:11:30 AM EST
[ Parent ]

We gotta break the Kleptocracy first (2.00 / 2)

then the republicans will come back with new, good ideas again.

Like no gerrymandering, like a lean mean government who is agile enough to incorporate local ideas, and develop solutions that can be expanded.

Have you seen what social workers have been doing? They've been using Minnesota as a real hotbed of "let's try this here first" -- and then spreading the solutions to those who need it.

That's the good ol' Republican way: "Test first, Implement next."

I want a choice again!


*&=4eva
by BlogSurrogate57 on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 11:18:53 AM EST
[ Parent ]

best point yet! bring options to the table! (2.00 / 2)

not preconceived "this is what has to happen".

I think that the health care companies have too much power and money for us to fix everything with just one President and Just One Law.

Give us 8 years of improvement, and maybe we'll try for single payer! (That's why Edwards, that raskally old trial lawyer, woulda been my pick for health care reform. he knows what a poison pill looks like, after all).


*&=4eva
by BlogSurrogate57 on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 11:16:47 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Welcome, Dickie! (2.00 / 1)

As a newly-reminted Democrat who rides the center line on many  things, I welcome you and your perspectives.

o  I'm right there with you on free markets.  I think Obama gets it.

o  UHC I think you and I might find common ground on.  I've lived in Canada off and on all my life and can appreciate universal access, but the fact is that the system has deep flaws as well.  Most folks here have heard my holding-forth on this at great length, but in the end I like Obama's approach of trying to improve access by working with everyone involved.  It's just hellaciously expensive on a personal or national scale and true single-payer UHC may kill the golden goose that creates the medical technology we need, but we should be able to improve access and lower costs if we honestly work together on it.

I think this guy gets it:

Thanks for posting!

-chris


Motley Moose: Progress Through Politics
by chrisblask on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 11:07:13 AM EST

Wrong video (none / 0)

This one...


Motley Moose: Progress Through Politics
by chrisblask on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 01:07:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Wrong video (2.00 / 1)

Wow. The  'interviewer' was stuttering as soon as he saw that this 'kid'  had his wits about him.

Classic!


A PROUD Hopium user!
by xodus1914 on Sat Sep 06, 2008 at 01:37:48 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Welcome, But I Have a Problem (none / 0)

You pose this question:

''Why do you love the idea of Universal Health Care, and want a mandatory one, when you can't even make the same commitment for English as the Universal Language?''

You're comparing apples to oranges.

Universal Healthcare should be listed under inalienable right along with life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

But to impose English as a "universal" language or state sanctioned language reeks of cultural imperialism.  It's discriminatory.  Should people who immigrate to this country learn it?  Probably, but making it the official language of the United States, sorry.


I'm riding the Low Road Express. Join me at www.lowroadexpress.com
by LtWorf on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 02:02:20 PM EST

What Makes someone a Citizen? (none / 0)

I believe it is the paying taxes, mostly. Not the adherence to cultural norms. Nudists are still citizens, so are KKK members (though we wish they weren't). So are hippies out smoking pot.

They all contribute to our social contract. Nowhere in the social contract is it mandated that someone be able to communicate with everyone (some people can't understand SOUTHERNERS for cripes sake! Should they need to learn Midwestern Broadcast English???).

Only in the south, would someone say "Go to the Peggy Ann", and the yank go around asking directions to the "Piggy Inn".


*&=4eva
by BlogSurrogate57 on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 05:11:51 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Great post (none / 0)

and one worthy of a considered response.

1. I believe the best argument in favor of universal single-payer healthcare is not some egalitarian ideal, but efficiency.  Paul Krugman's columns do a great job of popularizing the number-crunching on this.  Among the highlights are:
   a. Medicare overhead costs represent 2% of premiums paid by the government; for private plans the figures quoted were something like 37%.  There's too much paperwork and beaurocracy involved in getting someone else to pay the hefty treatment bills.  Also, while US doctors are overpaid, they have to spend way to much of their time fighting with insurers.
   b. The Canadian government (Federal and Provincial), despite guaranteeing "free" basic healthcare to ALL its citizens (including things like heart transplants but not completely covering prescriptions), spends less per capita on healthcare than the US government, who leaves many uninsured and relies on private insurance for the non-poor non-elderly.  The difference was something like 2,200$-2,100$ per citizen, not huge but not insignificant either.

2. As for universal healthcare being affordable, my response to #1 partly answers this.  The evidence provided by every other industrialized country would suggest it's affordable too, although all their systems have significant drawbacks.  I would agree that healthcare, if not managed carefully and dispassionately, is a voracious money pit.  But a competent government can set and enforce a set of uniform standards in accordance with its budget.  But other countries have free-market ideologues too; ever wonder why no significant political factions in their Governments want to emulate the US healthcare model?

A few crude examples to illustrate market success in some areas vs. market failure in others:

- The private sector is the right place to handle something like like making iPods.  Huge profit motive, faster adaptability to market demands and healthy competition.  Above all, nobody really needs an iPod, and any company who overprices or makes a crappy product simply fails.

- Things like national defense, water supply, healthcare (and to a lesser extent, electrical power) don't work that way.  Reliability of service is much more important than adaptability and innovation.  There are often huge capital or crisis-management costs that no private company would want or be able to absorb (hence all the healthcare beaurocracy).  People cant't simply stop using tapwater or healthcare simply because it gets too expensive.  And of course, as a society we refuse to let people die because they can't afford medical care.

Free-market libertarianism in its purest form leads to us all going back to subsistence farming.  I'm convinced that it's important for us to realize the contribution of public institutions to our quality of life, and to recognize when some responsibilities are better handled by our sometimes inefficient and choice-curtailing governments.  Even when we have to wait on line at the DMV, read about pork-barrel waste in government and plow through needlessly complicated tax returns.

So, when I hear about Republicans railing against "big Government" in all its forms, I see not only hypocrisy (because of their porky ways), but intellectual dishonesty.  They refuse to acknowledge market failure, and their solution is always to make government smaller rather than better.


by corph on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 02:51:27 PM EST

It was the search for the ALMIGHTY PROFIT (none / 0)

that killed our beautiful health insurance in America.

in the 1990's, there was a hell of a lot less reason to change. it was only when the stockholders started to say "more profit, or we dump you" that it went all to hell.

just like circuit city, who laid off all of its highly skilled workers to keep its shares up.


*&=4eva
by BlogSurrogate57 on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 05:14:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I congratulate you for being here (none / 0)

and for being an Obamacan. One of the things that drew me to Obama early on was a belief that he will make this country less divided. You being here reaffirms this belief.


Hey guys? You know we won right? You can stop the doooooomsaying now.
by JDF on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 06:53:54 PM EST

Good Evening, Sir (2.00 / 1)

I am Reaper0Bot0.  I greet you in the spirit of comity and cameraderie.  I have an Obamacan friend or two, and you seem to share a similar outlook to them.

I find it rather amusing that the RNC was spent repeating the phrase "country before party" in a way that was obviously meant to further their party.  For those of my friends on the other side of the aisle who take such things seriously, well, it was an affront.

The Obamacans I know want America to prosper.  None of them are happy to admit that a President Obama offers a better chance at that than would a President McCain.  I don't blame them.  It can't be easy to admit that the best vehicle for American prosperity is the one you've opposed for some time.  That doesn't always mean that Obama is a positive good, on his own merits, through the eyes of a libertarian Republican (though it may).  This speaks to how far the Republican Party has sunk of late.

I applaud my party for focusing on actual solutions to our problems.  I am shocked and amazed that our friends on the other side of the aisle have mostly forgotten that the best way to get out of a whole usually starts when you stop digging deeper into the whole and then plan your escape.

Oddly, Newt Gingrich actually focuses on "solutions."  I'm not sold on very many of his, but I'll give him credit for focusing on policy.  I'm open to ideas, whatever their source.  In all fairness, I suspect Senator McCain is sincere when he says the same.  However, his party lacks the necessary active brain trust these days.  

Our democracy, our very republic suffers when one of the major convergences of the electorate ceases to aggressively represent and serve the people.  Again, I think John McCain honestly gets that.  That's to his credit.  I just don't think he has a clue as to how to get that back, or a chance in hell of getting his party on the ball.

The best chance the Republican party has to ever really regain power or dominance is to spend some time in the wilderness.  They've earned it.  I want them to come back leaner, more focused, more pragmatic, and more open than before.  Their party does have some interesting intellectual underpinnings.  I agree with the basic premise that personal freedom of action will tend to be more efficient than collective action.  I don't think that all of our problems can be solved that way, but I do think it's a good starting point.
Sadly that philosophy is desperately under-served these days by either party.

Barack Obama is talking about the issues in a very real and pragmatic way.  My more intellectually honest Republican friends will acknowledge that Barack Obama is talking about what he would actually do as our next President.  John McCain has done far less of that, and ironically enough, has spent more of his time establishing a narrative of a reformer, a warrior, a man above the fray.  I'm not voting for a messiah, nor a warrior-chieftain.  I want someone to lead us, to channel our energies, to pragmatically see further ahead than the rest of us do.  I am certain that Barack Obama is that man.

Again, howdy.  This should be fun, no?


by Reaper0Bot0 on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 07:15:31 PM EST

Re: Good Evening, Sir (none / 0)

i always like your posts reaper


"They are ever so much nicer at Tiffany's!"
by epiphany on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 07:49:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Good Evening, Sir (none / 0)

I thank you for your reply Reaper.
I've seen many of your posts and comments on mydd before, and I usually read them with a lot of interest. Despite having many different points of view, I've always noticed you give people respect in your replies and have a polite manner in bringing political discourse.

Unfortunately the Republican party went against its ideals (I'm closest to a Goldwater Republican and have Libertarian leanings) with their pork and lobbyists connections.  I believe they expanded government more in the 2000's than the Democrats ever did in the 60's and 70's.

You are right though, Obama gets a lot of interest because he talks about what he intends to do as our next President, it is what attracts me to him.  He definitely does not portray himself as a Messiah but I have to admit, a lot of supporters use his words as though Jesus himself has spoken it...


Virginia is for Lovers
by Dickie Simpkins on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 11:42:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: My Introduction, and Why this Virginian is an (none / 0)

Cheers for reviving the name of my 45th favorite Chicago Bull of all-time: Dickie Simpkins!  That is, unless you are actually Dickie Simpkins; then I'll say you're my favorite Bull, since you're on myDD.

I remember during the dark, post-Jordan years, whoever made the Bulls jerseys misspelled Simpkins as "Smipkins" on the back of his jersey; Simpkins wore it for an entire half.  

Good points in the diary, though I can't say I agree with them all.  Rec'd.


by tommyslax on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 07:38:14 PM EST

Re: My Introduction, and Why this Virginian (none / 0)

You made your differences known respectfully, and I appreciate that you have found good reasons to vote for Obama over McCain.  You may get a few confrontational responses, but after all, a lot of us Obama supporters knew early on that there was something different about our candidate, the way he seemed to appeal to independents and Republicans in a way that Hillary Clinton (while a great Democrat) never could.  Obama isn't going to change minds overnight, but I felt one of his main strengths was the way he could present progressive policies and viewpoints without seeming overtly partisan, and I believe that was directly responsible for the Republicans for Obama groups that began to spring up, and for politicians like Linc Chafee and Jim Leach endorsing Obama.

I have several friends who are former Ron Paul supporters, and come down on most of the same issues you do, and have similarly decided Obama (while they disagree with him on a lot of issues) is better than McCain.  We welcome everyone who wants to help Obama win, regardless of their personal views, and I'm glad you've chosen to diary this.

You may not consider yourself a Democrat, but we are a "big-tent" party open to people of all political persuasions, united by a few common beliefs.  I myself happen to disagree with most forms of gun control, and while I do occasionally debate other Democrats here and in real life about it, for the most part I agree to disagree.

Recommended.


by Skaje on Fri Sep 05, 2008 at 09:12:39 PM EST


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